Two Gentlemen and a Vineyard

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Introduction: Meet Los Dos Caballeros

Hello, I’m Helen Cumins and this is Mallorca Living, a space dedicated to those who are dreaming of making Morca their home. Today I am joined by Los Caballeros, William Stanley and Walter Krauss. We are going to hear about their journey to Mallorca, their passion for wine making and how they have created a new experience here in Mallorca. Let’s dive in.
So Walter, very welcome and William, we’re so happy to have you here today. Thank you for joining us. Thank you. It’s a pleasure. So I want to know what is Los Dos Caballeros? Can you tell me a little bit about the concept and what you do?

How the idea for the winery began on a rooftop

Sure. Los Caballeros is our winery which we started from scratch together. It was an idea that we had while having lunch on a rooftop and it’s grown much bigger than the original idea. It’s a winery and a stay where we do tastings, small gatherings, we have farm-to-table events, but it’s really a place where we create a wine that we love and that we hope that other people love as well.
Okay, super. So, people can actually go and stay in your guest house up to six people, right? And they have a beautiful place to stay while they can enjoy the whole experience of the wine that you’re producing. Right. Exactly. That’s the idea.

What is Los Dos Caballeros: Winery, guest stay & farm-to-table concept

So, could you tell us what kind of experiences go around this day when you’re there? Well, while people are on the property, they can of course do a tasting. And we give a full tour of the property, a bit more about the history. Then, we have farm to table events.
So, does it tend to be wine lovers, food lovers that are attracted to stay in your place? Great. So, they can have a meal with farm-to-table which is paired with the wines. And then of course the house, the stay on the property is nestled into the vineyards.

Location: Between Inca & Llubí with views of the Tramuntana

So it’s also for people who just want to relax and sounds ideal, right? So can you tell me exactly where on the island you’re located? It’s between Inca and Llubí. It’s pretty central from the highway. It’s not really hard to get there. It’s like in the middle of nowhere in the end. So, you’re in the center of the island where this is located has become very popular in recent years. People love to stay and look to the Tramuntana mountains in the distance. Do you have views of the Tramuntana? We do. When you’re walking towards the vineyard, it’s kind of painted in the background. It’s beautiful. So an idyllic setting.
Walter, it was your background in wine making perhaps that brought some of the experience. Your grandfather was a wine maker. Yeah. The idea came from there. My grandfather was a wine maker in Germany. I grew up in the winery until I was like 14, 15 years old. He got too old and my father and his brother, they didn’t really want to take over because wine making 40 years ago in Germany was not really a big thing. So he sold it and I was really sad about it because I grew up I learned a lot from him. From that moment I had in the back of my head like I want to make my own wine one day. So that went with me through my entire life. It was always kind of there. And then when we had the chance to go into it and had that sitting on the rooftop and started to kind of fantasize and make the plans, it kind of got more and more reality.

From corporate careers in New York & Europe to Mallorca

Beautiful. And what I want to also bring into your story is how did you meet? How where did your journey together start? Well, I used to work in investment banking and I was abroad maybe 80% of my time in London, Turkey, New York. I was living in Germany, kind of traveling back and forth. Sometimes I lived in London for six years then I lived in Zurich, back in Germany. It was always like the role required to travel. And when I was in New York working there, I met William in a bar. Just kind of a classic way. Yes. And then from there it evolved. Beautiful. And how long ago was that? It was like 12 years ago.
And what were you doing in New York at the time? I was born in Virginia. But I do tend to say New York because I love it. When I was living in the city, I mentioned to you off camera that I used to be an actor and a singer. So, I had actually moved to the city to pursue your acting and singing career in New York. But I was also working in event management. I actually never did audition for Broadway, but I was doing regional shows on the east coast.

So you met and then did you live in New York for a certain length of time before you came to Mallorca? I was living there and you came and he stayed for longer periods of time but eventually I was the one who made the transfer to come to Europe. Okay. So you decided okay I’m heading to Europe and what was attracting you to come to Europe? Well I mean Walter of course. I came and I started doing the small stays and it just got longer and longer and really the rest is history. Here we are.

And you said that you initially stayed in Barcelona. Well, initially in Frankfurt because that’s where he was living at the time. Then we went to Barcelona together. We moved a few times in Barcelona and then eventually to Mallorca.

Why they chose Mallorca over South Africa

Yes. So what captured your heart? What did Mallorca have to do in order to capture your heart or did it have to do anything? No, I mean when the plans kind of got a little bit more concrete about the wine, I had more South Africa in mind. Because I was there before and I loved it. I love the settings of the wineries there where you can just walk in, hang out, have a good time. It’s not only like going buying and that’s it. And that was kind of the broad thing. Stellenbosch and all these places. It’s quite German. There’s many there’s a big connection between Germany and this and also the time difference is just like 1 hour.
So but then I’ve been there I looked at it even before we met. I was there and checked out but the political situation is really unstable. The law enforcement is pretty corrupt. And then I was like, “No, I think in the end probably this is too dangerous, too risky to move everything over and then not really having the security.” And then that kind of was checked and then we went here for a stay, just a quick vacation. I mean I knew Mallorca obviously every German knows Mallorca but more from being at the beaches and having the family holidays. But then we went inside and then there was a lot of wine which I also didn’t really know.

Discovering Mallorca’s wine scene

So that caught my attention. It’s close to Barcelona. It’s like Germanized in a way. And so we started looking a little bit deeper. I started talking to people there. We tried wines. We went to restaurants. We went to wineries and we were surprised actually because you don’t hear about the world of wine in Mallorca globally. But when we were trying these wines, we were thinking why not? Because the wines are fantastic. In hindsight, we know that a lot of the wineries over 100 on the island are just really small production. Exactly. And the production is just consumed here on the island and therefore there’s no necessary to export the wine. Well, some of the bigger ones like Macià Batle are, but also in very small quantities.

Creating a boutique concept with multiple income streams

But that triggered us in a way because also we didn’t want to go into that mass production battle. We wanted to make it boutique and then put a concept together which works in terms of not only selling 10,000 bottles of wine where we cannot finance the whole undertaking, but also combine it with the rental, with the farm to table, with the visits the tastings and all that. So you have different streams of income rather than be completely reliant on the revenue from the winery.
Has it surprised you how long it’s taken to get everything up and running? Well, I think it was quite fast actually. I think we did what we could in a short amount of time, but there were of course certain things that slowed down the process.

Finding the right land for organic wine production & the challenges

Tell me about buying the particular property where you have established Los Dos Caballeros. Buying was not really the problem. Was finding a place difficult? Yes, because the right place. It’s not only the setting, it is also the land. Our idea was from the beginning to make organic wines. So we needed to find ground which were allowing us to do organic planting with the setting with a diversity of plants of trees and everything around with land which hasn’t been used for conventional agriculture before. So that kind of narrowed it down from the very first moment. And then also I found out during the process that some grapes which we wanted to plant are not allowed to be planted everywhere. So that shrunk it more and then in the end there were like two places left and then two options to buy and then we chose that one.
Okay. Very good. And has it fulfilled your requirements in terms of the land and the fertility and so on? The wines are really, I mean I think we’ve been very surprised with the quality positively surprised. But from the beginning, that was very good. We have also help of a local oenologist because even if I did qualifications, you need somebody here to sign the papers to deal with the local authorities and us as not Mallorcan people not knowing the people and not speaking really the language would have been difficult.

So you’re always but I also think that there’s certain things connected with growing vines and so on that they’re so accustomed to dealing with like some of the issues here locally which as a foreigner you may not be aware or there’s at least a learning process right. Yes it is definitely and to it was definitely a learning process.

Patience, paperwork & 3 years to get a license

Okay so tell us what you’ve learned William since you started. Well, it would be really difficult to list it all here. Both of us have grown immensely throughout the process through the challenges. Exactly. I mean we were both wine lovers before but loving wine, tasting wine, experiencing wine is one thing. Making wine is a completely different aspect. I would say preparing to make the wine. That’s the most horrendous part. I mean me being a German, we want to get things done. So you need to like and I learned the hard way in Mallorca is *poco a poco*. So it’s like step by step. My neighbor always tells me I’ve never seen anybody bringing this up so quickly. While I think Jesus Christ, we lost two years. Okay, you lost two years. This is really like the constant.
We hear a lot on this podcast the word patience. It’s become kind of our mantra if you’re moving to Mallorca in whatever capacity you’re dreaming of. You need patience and it’s not necessarily my strength but you learn patience to deal with it. I don’t know whether I really got more patient but I swallow it more. But I have to say, in my experience of living in Mallorca, it really has taught me to slow down, accept it, because otherwise you can drive yourself crazy.

And I know that feeling, especially when we were in the middle of building, then the pandemic hit, then the energy prices went to the roof and we were in the middle of building and people were telling us, “Well, our price is valid for 3 days. You take it or you leave it.” And I was like in the middle of this. I mean, even being a banker, I was driving crazy. This was one point when we did decide that we wanted to build the tasting room and the facilities to actually produce the wine. From that point until we got the licensing was 3 years of waiting. But I think three years is pretty exact, really if you plan to build in Mallorca from scratch, three years is as long as it’s going to take. And I think most people being honest will give you that kind of horizon. These were three years with a pandemic and an energy crisis. So it was all we could wish for.

Making their first wines & choosing grape varieties

Yes. But there was advantages during the pandemic. Because the construction continued here on the island. The pandemic didn’t really hit us that much because first of all we just planted and the plants need to go for 3 years before you can harvest. Actually that spring and summer 2020 was one of the best we’ve ever had. Whether it was the lack of pollution or whatever but we had an incredible time here and also we were in the process of renovating the house and the guest house so we couldn’t accommodate anyway in that year. But I still had the worries, how long is this going to take? Is this going on forever? Will there ever be somebody? Didn’t I do too much? And now all the tourism is like falling apart. All those things go through your head. Of course. But it actually didn’t change the reality. So the point is you can put yourself through the torture, but in the end it is what it is. We were in it. We couldn’t get out of that anymore. It was too late. There was no way of return. Yes. At that point in time you were past the point of return.
Okay. So you managed to when did you actually open then to guests? The moment the first flights came in the guest house was rented basically from 2021 onwards. Okay. And then when did you start making your first real production of the wine? The first small production was 2021. A little bit of rosé, a little bit of white and then from 2022 basically then the first red wines came.

But which grapes are you using? Which grapes did you grow? We grow Gargollasa, Garnacha for rosé and red. We have Manto Negro, a Mallorcan grape and we have…

Why winemaking is a fusion of science & art

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And what have you learned about the wine making since you started here? One thing is the theoretical part the other thing is the real actually making. I always love to say that when we’re when we’re hosting people that wine making is a fusion of science and art. So what part is the science and what part is the art? We appreciated the art before but now we know a bit more about the science. For example, we have such a vast history of wine making that in Mallorca but also globally from which we can draw the knowledge for the scientific part. So for example the yeast that you can use is so specific now you know if you use this specific strain of yeast with Sauvignon Blanc you’ll likely get pear notes. So this is something that I personally took from the process.

You can learn a lot. You can influence it. A grape Manto Negro is not Manto Negro. Depending where you grow it, how you make it, how you process it. The way you give it a style, it’s completely different. In the same field you can make two or three different wines with two or three different techniques. And that’s my passion. That’s the creative part. And this was more or less the starting point for me to see what you could do and I had some styles in my head which I wanted to create and sometimes it works, sometimes it doesn’t. So this is the creative part of it.

Building a boutique brand, not mass production

Is there any other bodega on the island that you use as a benchmark or a role model that you thought, wow, they’re doing a really good wine? Because you were doing the organic side of things which probably makes it a little bit more difficult and more expensive. I mean I think we like to take flavors. We see maybe this bodega does this grape really well and we say oh let’s see if we can do something like this. We’re boutique, we’re really small we cannot really compare with the big ones. We also don’t have the history, we are not Mallorcan, so we also wanted to create our own style. We don’t want to do the same what 50 other people do. There’s quite a few German winemakers now. But most of them are way bigger. These are really big things.
And what is your production annually? At the moment it’s around 10,000 bottles. We are not at 100% production in the existing fields but we also now are in the process of adding two more hectares land from the neighbor because we don’t have enough wine. We’re already facing that people seem to like the wine and we need to produce more.

Collaborating with restaurants & local distribution

Okay. And where can you taste the wine? Where do you distribute? We have a tasting room in the bodega. So can people book a reservation? Book tastings online. They can call us. They can just walk in. It’s open anytime for people to pass by. We have the business hours of 12:30 to 7:00. But we do live on the property.
Besides selling in the tasting room direct, we sell also in several specific restaurants on the island. Can you give me some examples? We are in several in Palma. Canet, for example, the beautiful boutique hotel. Mirabona is the restaurant. Exactly. A place most people will never have heard of. Then we have Vandal in Palma. So they’ve decided they wanted to offer your wines and they’re very happy with the results. We try to do it strategically actually. We try to pick restaurants that we love. Because we have such a limited quantity. So we go to the restaurant a couple of times and then we approach them.

There is a beautiful vegetarian organic, the fully organic restaurant in Palma in Plaça Sant Alonso. It took me a while to get there to try it, but I am in love with this restaurant. Everything is organic. Everything is very well thought out with the flavors, the menu. So I think it could be a beautiful collaboration or combination with your wines. We try to grow the business with the amount of restaurants. You need some people having the chance to taste the wines there and we get people coming from there but we also have a lot of people just passing by now. I think now meanwhile people, the island is small and people know. We offer also online tasting and tour experiences which people can book.

Reflections on Mallorca lifestyle & slow living

But I think, would you agree Walter that in Germany which is really the biggest market for Mallorca that the perception about Mallorca is changing. Yes. So 20 years ago for example it was really seen as sun and sand and party and so on and unfortunately the press picked up on very much on that. Whereas now when you talk to Germans particularly people who have who know the island they are much more drawn here by the food offering, the wines, the boutique stays. Since the pandemic it changed a lot. You think that was a shift point? Yeah. And a lot of *agroturismos* started to open. Especially in our area when we came in 2019 to be honest, there wasn’t so much around where you could go. Now you have beautiful restaurants even in Llubí which is a tiny little town. You have Binissalem, you have Inca, you have Sencelles. Also these agroturismos which are opening up around the hill. Before that, people just didn’t want to stay in these big bunkers on the beach. People wanted space. And I think that’s part of the reason why.
Yeah. It’s very true. Even the demand for property with nice big terrain has become incredibly popular around the middle of the island. And I have to say, as a cyclist, because I’m in your area every week, the island became so much more beautiful as a result of the vines. So when you cycle now, you’re really in wine territory and you have vineyards on each side of the road. It’s so pretty. Particularly at this time of year when the vines are fully abundant and beautiful. It’s true. But also a lot of the wineries started to open up to people. Which we also didn’t face when we started. When we came in and wanted to go and check, it was not so easy to find places where you could just go in. And now a lot of the wineries, all the also the old ones start to open up, have a tasting space in the garden and do these kind of things.

We were talking about South Africa before and I think what we loved about that is the concept there. It’s very go to the winery, sit outside and just enjoy the day. It’s one of the highlights of visiting South Africa. So we wanted to take that feeling and bring it here. So, we have the nice outdoor seating area where we put on some light music and I wanted to design the interior space to make it inviting so it feels like your living room. You can come and have a glass of wine and just chill for a few hours. So, I think that works.

Are you building a community around your bodega?

We have a lot of returning guests. Community is probably a bit too strong, but the vine leasing is kind of our… Well, with your event background and it becoming popular now to create experiences, we do this. We have people coming and for that reason we introduced, being the banker you need financing, and when you plant you have three years to wait until you make the first money on your wines. So we introduced this “Wine Familia de Los Caballeros.” You can rent or lease vines for two years, depending on the size. And then you get in return wine, and maybe depending on the program your private label, and then we add a harvest event, bringing people together and get a community going.
But to answer your question, we do have people who come back repeatedly. And I’m just wondering about the local community because there’s many people like myself who live here on the island and want to enjoy the full experience. That’s definitely the case because we’re open all year round, and also off the tourist season, people who live here, expats come.

Advice for others dreaming of starting a project in Mallorca

So for somebody who is thinking to come to Mallorca and follow a journey, or they’re listening today and they’re very inspired by your story, what advice would you give them? Bring money and a lot of enthusiasm.
I was laughing at you Walter when you said about financing the vines. I would have thought I hope you made all your money in banking and then you bring it. Honestly, you have to bring a certain amount of money. Going to a bank as a new kind of business in Spain and ask for financing, it’s not going to work. My husband, he’s German and he always says if you want to make a million in Mallorca you need to bring two… he was saying so you bring five. No, it is really like to start you need to have your money from somewhere.

But going back now on your story, you had a dream since you were a very young man wanting to develop your own bodega and now you’re doing that. You’re living it every day. Is it the dream? Is it what you expected? It is now starting to give me the feeling. But during the years it was tough. There were a lot of moments where I was struggling where I was like, “Oh my god, we did way too much. This is not going to work.” I was really like at some points thinking maybe better to quit. If I would have known everything on the way before we started it, I don’t know whether I would have made it rationally. You need to put a lot of enthusiasm in it, a lot of belief, and yeah, now it’s kind of paying off. But if you think you do this and you make a ton of money. No.

Well, I think anybody… you don’t come to Mallorca with a lifestyle vision and especially if it’s slow living that brings you here, that you’re going to make your fortune. It just has to be for passion and love. You have to want to do it and be willing to push. Would you agree there’s a richness in other ways in Mallorca, not the financial side? Of course, but I think that’s the key.

Passion, patience & the joy of harvesting happiness

So what is the richness for you in the experience? I mean owning the winery, we do have the lifestyle. It’s a lot of work, it’s a lot of effort, but we in the end get to wake up in the morning and look out the window and see the vines there and be proud of everything that we did accomplish. Was it hard? Yes. But are we happy that we have it now? Also yes.
When people taste your wine and they give you the feedback and they want to buy it, this must bring you so much joy. Money can’t buy that, right? That was one of the coolest things that we had was sitting in a restaurant that had our wine and seeing someone at another table order it for the first time. That was really cool. And also when I had my first bottle of my own wine after the first production in my hand, that was a moment where I was really proud.

But also the weather, I mean compared to Germany. And also from New York, I mean do you kind of get up in the morning pinch yourself and say wow my life led me from New York to here? What a difference. It was a big shift. But a good shift and a happy shift because as I said I was born in Virginia which is a very rural area. So I was used to the nature and the openness. So it’s kind of like I made a stop in New York and then came back to a place that really feels like home.

How bureaucracy slowed everything down

I don’t know if we really covered what was the really big challenges. Was it the bureaucracy? Bureaucracy is a horrible thing here. Even they pretend everything is digital which it is, it’s super complicated. So that for me, doing most of the admin stuff, brought me sometimes really at the edge.
And do you speak Spanish? I do, but not Mallorquín. Spanish is an official language so it’s enough. When you get all the messages and letters from the wine authorities, it’s all in Mallorquín. It’s not in Spanish. But luckily we have the wine maker. The other thing is since I was only living in big cities, I sometimes miss just going out, not taking the car, driving half an hour to a restaurant and not be able to drink because you have to drive back. And having parking in Palma in the summer, not a nice thing. Going to Santa Catalina with the car, challenge. So that is different from living in a big city, which I miss sometimes. You fall down the stairs and you just have 50 restaurants and you do whatever you want and you can walk.

That was actually one of my questions that I wanted to come to. How do you enjoy your life here outside of the bodega? I have to say for the first few years, we were just at the winery. Everything we were doing was for the winery at the winery constantly. So just recently, just this past season, the one that we’re finishing now was the first season that we actually could hire some help. Before it was Walter and I doing everything. So just this season we had a little bit more flexibility to start living.

5 Years without a real holiday: The hard work behind building a winery

Okay. And what are you doing? What did you do this summer? Tell me some of the highlights. Going into nice restaurants in Palma and around the island, going a little bit around, just having some time to breathe, going to the beach. Did you get to the beach? Only a couple of times. Which is your favorite beach? I think the coolest one that I explored this year was Es Coll Baix. It’s up north, but it’s quite a hike. It’s about an hour to get there where you park your car, some scrambling across rocks, but it was worth it.
And then also we had the first time a holiday. We went to South Africa in January for a couple of days. That was the first time really like having a long time. Five years. In 5 years. Yeah. Other than that it was family visits and maybe on the way to the family three days in New York, but like maybe a weekend. So you have to put the effort in. It doesn’t always look like it looks on the magazines or in the social media. But sometimes we do have to stop and just be in the space and appreciate what’s there. But when you’re running and have appointments and there’s people coming to do fixes on the finca and there’s tastings, sometimes you get lost. With 17,000 square meters of land, there’s always something to fix. You don’t even need to look for it.

Living in Llubí

So, I’m still trying to figure out, are you happy? Because we named our article about you “Harvesting Happiness.” So, I hope the happiness is not only for the wines. I hope the happiness is also for the creators. Well, yeah. Let’s put it this way. The harvests get better. The happiness is growing as the harvests get better. How about that? That’s the thing.
It sounds to me like you’re a bit of a worrier. You’re the one who’s got… He’s a bit of a worrier and you’re more on the… Yeah. He takes things a little bit easier and relaxed. But I think it’s a good combination. You can’t both be worriers. No, you need always the yin and the yang and somebody on the practical side and the other person is like, “Oh, we’re having a good time here.”

Because I hear similar stories where people have a dream and they come here and they invest and they put in the work and what I think is really important at the end is that the work was worth the result. And that’s my question to you. I mean I what I can say is we’re… I am very proud of what we built. I didn’t want to speak for you there. No, I mean that is correct. I’m proud as well.

But the results in wine, they don’t come at the same time you’re building. They come like five, six years later. So I’m optimistic, but I don’t think we are completely over the steepest hill. Okay. But you’re getting there. I hope so. You see, I’m a really eternal optimist. I’m over the top, always positive. But I’ve been 21, 22 years in business in Mallorca. And I remember how tough it was at the beginning. And of course, I wasn’t doing a project like yours where you have so many different variables that you’re dependent on. But now, even after 21, 22 years, I still feel incredibly inspired by Mallorca and I love still the work we do and what we add to the island. And I think that’s because it’s not about only the work. It’s your time. You have a choice whether you put the time in in Mallorca doing what you’re doing or probably you can be traveling or live somewhere else. And that probably is a good question for you. Do you see Mallorca as your home from now on?

I mean there’s roots here. So yes. I mean maybe not forever but right now Mallorca is the place where I feel comfortable. I don’t say it’s my home because I lived in too many places and I never felt home was always where my baggage was. And this is… I absolutely committed to what I’m doing and it makes me proud to see also when people come in and say, “Hey, you created a beautiful space.” Because sometimes people need to tell you because you’re in it and you don’t really see it anymore. But I also still have that urge to travel to see the world. So I’m still not over that. And so for me, yes, I’m good where I am now. And I don’t want to really nail myself down to a place for the rest of my life.

But I think also as your production grows, like the harvest and your rented accommodation, it may be possible in the future to have more help. I think that is definitely needed. We will, and that changes everything when you bring in your team and people are helping you and responsible. It shifts a little bit from doing everything yourself. Yes. But we’re still in that process. We’re not finished with what needs to be done.

So living in the area that you live on Mallorca between Inca and Llubí, is this an area that you would recommend to other people to look at, consider living? I think if you’re looking for a slow lifestyle and peace, you don’t know how many times people come to visit us and the first thing out of their mouth is, “It’s so peaceful here.” So if that’s the vibe that you’re looking for, then yes. We also love to eat, so we have to travel quite a bit for that. But there are nice places to be found. But you’re about what, 30 minutes from Palma? About 30 minutes. It’s manageable. The location is quite central. And you’re about 30 minutes from the north. So actually the same. Very good.

What they wished they had known before they started

Super. Okay. Well, is there anything else you would like to add for our listeners about advice, or put it another way, what do you wish you’d known before you started? Many things. Many things. But like what? Well, like he said, if we had known everything that we would have come in contact with, maybe we wouldn’t have built a winery. Maybe it would have been something else. So I think sometimes it’s good to be a little bit naive, especially when you’re chasing after a dream. Of course. I think I’m happy that I didn’t know. I’m really happy that I didn’t know because otherwise we would not be where we are right now. And now you’re happy that you are where you are. So, okay. Great. Super.

How you can contact and experience Los Dos Caballeros

Okay. Well, it’s been an absolute pleasure to meet you. I am so looking forward to visit Los Caballeros. I don’t drink alcohol in 2025. I said no alcohol, but maybe I’ll wait. I’ll have to wait till next year. Then your wines will be ready in January. So, just wait. But I would love to visit. I’d love to have your farm-to-table experience. I would love to do a tour.
And for anybody who’s listening who would love to come and stay in your guest house or visit your winery, should they go online to visit your website? Yeah. So, I think a great place to get a visual of what the winery is like is Instagram: @loscaballeroswinery. And then of course our website is a way you can book directly and you can contact us there.

And is there a fee to visit for the wine tasting? If you do a tasting and tour there is a fee because it contains a tour through the production, through the fields, explanation and then a tasting with four wines and organic local food, and they’re always private. And it’s always for the group. We have different tastings. Is there a minimum amount for the group? The minimum is €50 for two people. But we have different tastings. We have tastings with one of the owners which are a little bit more advanced and more expensive. We have all red. We have the classic tours. So people can choose. But if you just want to come for a glass of wine, there’s also you just come and taste, sit in the outdoor lounge area, and then people can try the wine and see if they like to buy it.

And obviously if they want to come and maybe think about investing in some of the vines, they can always contact you. I think there are real wine lovers on the island who might absolutely love that idea. We have a couple from the island who do this. It is also very famous for wedding presents, birthday presents, something where people want to give something personal, not just like an envelope with some money.

And do you do events? Not per se. We do the tastings and we do the farm-to-table tastings as well, which is the tastings of the local vegetables and local products that we take from the island. But that’s a licensed thing because we are not a restaurant. Or like a party or an event space. We also don’t want to be that. Might be the drop too much.

Yeah, the location also is a natural selection of people who come because the people who want party, Ballermann, they usually are not the ones coming there for an experience. I always say it’s for the people who are curious. It’s the ones who want to actually really understand the culture and the heritage of Mallorca, experience something like what you’re offering. It’s not for people who are happy to go and sit at the pool all the time. Explorers. Yeah, they’re explorers and they want to really experience firsthand what the island has to offer.

So, thank you so much. It’s been a pleasure. Yeah, Walter. It’s been really nice to meet you. I look forward to visiting and I wish you many, many years of happy harvesting. Thank you. Thank you very much. We appreciate it.

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